*The entirety of this work is protected by copyright (see Copyright information section).
October 16, 2020
Linda Rideout, Adkins NA, Melungeon Métis Gedmatch Research Group, October 16, 2020, 3:43 a.m.
“I have been meaning to comment on Dorene Soiret’s blog for some time, and finally am taking the time to finish this. Before I continue, let me tell you a little about myself. I graduated Summa Cum Laude with an undergraduate degree in Geography-Anthropology. My concentration is in Archaeology, specifically, Africanist Archaeology. I also have a minor in Global Studies, and a Certificate in GIS (geographic information in science). I am nearing completion of a Master’s Degree in GIS. I have worked twice as an intern with the Smithsonian Museum, once for an ethnographic project of the Maya, and the other mapping an entomology project in the Amazon basin. I have also worked on a NASA-funded mapping project in Maine. I currently work for local government as a digital cartographer (as a simplified term for my position of GIS Analyst).
“I have spent a significant amount of time (total of about 9 months over a few trips) doing archaeology and geography in Africa. Those projects included excavating footprints attributed to Homo erectus, working with historic period sites, and excavating skeletal remains from a coastal mosque and returning them to the US where they are in the process of having DNA extracted and analyzed. I have also worked on a Colonial-period archaeological project at the William Ladd site in Maine (founder of what is now the United Nations). I have worked on several paleo-Indian sites in Maine, Massachusetts and New Hampshire, including a site where the native population documented their encounter with Europeans via petroglyphs. I just want anyone reading this to understand that I have spent a lot of time reading anthropological material. I have spent a lot of time researching and implementing anthropological methodologies.
“The quality of material and throughness of Dorene’s information in her blog is on par with any body of research in terms of substance and accuracy. She relays facts in a way that is consistent with quality research methods. She contrasts her point of view from other blogs by taking a rounded approach that includes something that is missing from other blogs, and that is – the understanding that ANY well-regarded ethnographic or anthropological approach to Native American culture includes a consideration of oral history of that culture.
“Native Americans (and other cultures) have recounted their histories on cave walls, rocks, pyramid walls etc, using ochre and other materials since time immemorial, they also passed on vast amounts of their culture via oral storytelling. It was MORE than just story-telling. It was a way to RECORD their culture, their world view and their heritage. Oral history is MORE than just an accepted and expected part of ethnographic research – it’s a qualifying and necessary step towards understanding the ENTIRE picture. And that is what Dorene’s blog successfully does.
“The Tsimshian people of America’s northwest used oral traditions as a way to document their family histories all the way back to the Pleistocene. Courts of law questioned the validity of their oral histories, but archaeology has repeatedly validated these histories. Genealogical lineages, the movement of people across their landscapes, and historical events that have been told by the Tsimshian for generations have been shown to be precise and accurate. (See: TIME, ORAL TRADITION, AND TECHNOLOGY by Martindale, Shneiderman and Turin).
“Martindale states “Communities with oral traditions demonstrate our human capacity to formalize and solidify memory over generations”. When I read one particular blog that Dorene debunks over and over again, it is clear that it is written by a person who is unfamiliar with the importance of oral history. That author totally disregards family histories. Whoever is the author of that ‘other’ blog lacks an understanding of valid and accepted methodologies if they do not take oral history into account as ANY anthropologist would do. The author ignores that oral tradition ‘solidifies” memory. In doing so, the ground upon which her genealogical work is built becomes muddied.
“When working with the Dasanech people of Eastern Lake Turkana in Kenya, I had the chance to interview a family where the male head of the family had several scars, each a short line in a column coming down his upper arm. When asking what they were representative of, I was told that each was for killing someone who had stolen the tribe’s cattle. Those ‘scars’ were a method of story-telling. That man would be able to tell an individual story for each of the lines – who the foe was, how the person went about stealing the cattle, the day of the week, how he met up with the foe in order to enact his retribution for the theft. They were no longer just ‘scars’. They were historical reminders. That father would tell his children these stories, and those children will tell their children one day. That is how oral tradition works. That is how Native American oral traditions work. And that is what is ignored by some arm-chair genealogists.
“There is one other part of Dorene’s work that I would like to comment on, and that is in regard to Dorene’s continued yearning to stay current in genetic technology. In the same way that most cultures have changed with technology, going from oral histories, to written histories, to audio-recorded histories, to web-based histories, etc., etc., etc., so too does the field of genetics change. More samples are added to be compared with. Improvements to lab methodologies improves accuracy.
“There is still a long way to go in terms of DNA testing:
“’While DNA has the potential to generate connections that other historical sources do not, it is highly contingent on who has tested with the particular platforms that you have and what their relationship to you is.’
Stallard M, de Groot J. “Things Are Coming Out That Are Questionable, We Never Knew About”: DNA and the New Family History. Journal of Family History. 2020;45(3):274-294. doi:10.1177/0363199020906853
“Furthermore, the understanding of the human genome grows each day. Modern DNA-testing facilities admit this, while the ‘other’ blog’s author rejects it:
“’The pioneering work begun at SMGF has helped AncestryDNA expand its services faster than anyone else in the field and will continue to grow and have an impact on the future scientific understanding of genetic genealogy.’
“’The state of DNA science is always progressing!’
“I’m bringing this up because the MOST important part that is missed on the ‘other’ blog, is that a new test has been done. Actually – let me reword that. This fact is not ‘missed’ by that person. It is IGNORED. It’s also my understanding that in addition to the new test data being excluded, it’s also being hidden across various internet genealogical sites. In what world is that type of work passed off as ‘valid’ research???????? Not in mine. And I believe it would be ‘laughed’ out of ANY legitimate researcher’s office.
“There’s truly no ‘ART’ in presenting a body of so-called self-authoritative work when it ignores and rejects good methodology, current facts, and updated data.
“Keep up the good work, Dorene! I look forward to reading more.”
Linda in the field:
October 10, 2020
Cousin Linda Rideout shared this great link from the U.S. Bureau of the Census of the United States Government:
October 9, 2020
I found a reply by Cousin Sarah Bea from December, 2017 on Adkins Family History Group in response to a thread posted by the owner of the blog, where Cousin Sarah talks about the first-hand account in her family of her great aunt’s being taken into captivity by the Shawnee; in particular, that she was given over to the care Chief Cornstalk’s family and treated well:
Another account of being able to verify family oral tradition:
“History of the Graham Family,” Clayton, West Virginia, by David Graham, 1899. Excerpt from the archived website of the Library of Congress. I also own the book.
p. 97: “This account was given the writer substantially as stated by David W. Jarrett, who is a son of Elizabeth’s sister, Jane, and he says he has it from the lips of his mother.” (Emphasis added.)
p. 93: “After becoming thoroughly convinced that Elizabeth had been carried into captivity, the next task of Col. Graham was to locate her whereabouts and, if possible, secure her return. Months of anxious and unceasing search located her among the Shawnee tribes, whose wigwams were  situated at what is now Chillicothe, Ohio. She had been adopted by a squaw of one of the chiefs of the Cornstalk family of that tribe and, while it was doubtless a source of great jo’.y [sic] to those fond parents to find their long-lost child alive and well and well cared for, though in the home of a savage chief, yet a new anxiety awaited them, but little less terrible than that which they had already experienced, the work of rescuing and seeing her once more around the hearthstone of their own home. To this task Col. Graham directed his energies and several times visited the Shawnee towns and as often met with new obstacles and disappointments, none of which were probably more heart-rending to him than to know that his child had learned to love her savage home, and that in turn she was loved and doted on by her adopted mother. As the tender twig is easily bent and made to grow in new directions, so were the inclinations of this innocent child readily diverted from the scenes of the past and made to love the passing events which surrounded  her, and she being well cared for and never mistreated by the Indians, it was but natural that she loved them. It is also said that before her return a love more passionate than that for her adopted tribe or mother had seized her youthful breast and that a young warrior would soon have claimed her for his “white” squaw. As to the truth of the story, that she had an Indian lover, we do not vouch, but having learned it from her own descendants, we think it worthy of mention. After fruitless efforts and at least two contracts, which were violated and backed down from by the Indians, Col. Graham finally succeeded in 1785 in ransoming and bring his daughter back home, after an absence of about eight years. The price paid for her release was the release of an Indian prisoner whom the whites held, thirty saddles and a lot of beads and other trinkets, and, according to the summing up of the various traditions, about $300 in silver.” (Emphasis added.)
October 8, 2020
From a post I originally made on Adkins Family History Group back in July. The screenshot is from Geni. Below is a fresh screenshot of Geni, taken October 8, 2020:
October 7, 2020
Here are two statements that seem to be contradictory (red underlining):
- October 2, 2020, Lincoln County VW Genealogy page:
2. January 24, 2018, Geni:
I found a very relevant 2001 post by Ronnie Adkins regarding DNA results that the owner of the blog re-posted in 2018:
Nine years later, we now have a more accurate and complete picture of our family’s DNA which DOES contain Native American DNA…our family DOES have Indian blood and we are so very proud of it!
September 14, 2020
The owner of the blog has uploaded an actual screenshot of the HVR1, HVR2 and Coding Regions Match list for the test she administers for Audalene Starr; however the implication still remains that there is some type of strength of relationship. Just to clarify: FTDNA has confirmed that, as to the order in which the matches are listed, there is NO strength of relationship.
September 10, 2020
Well, well…wonder of wonders….Sarah, the owner of the blog, after years of adamantly refusing to post the actual DNA test results of Audelene Starr has finally done so. I am sure she realized that the posting of her “fuzzy” screenshots that nobody could read, edited images and her own incomplete and retyped so-called “results” just wasn’t going to cut it. The years of her intentional refusal to post the complete and actual DNA test results cries out for an explanation. Unfortunately, there are continuing misrepresentations about strengths of relationships and origins that remain. In my humble opinion, her failure to explain her actions casts a serious shadow over her forthrightness as well as to the truth of many of her published claims. I hope her explanation regarding her actions will not take several more years.
September 10, 2020
I was able to locate the link to an article I had previously posted on Adkins Family History Group on December 10, 2019. It was in response to a comment made by the owner of the blog who was insisting that Native American mitochondrial DNA can only be haplogroups A, B, C, D and X:
“Dorene Soiret: Even Roberta Estes is expanding the list of Haplogroups that are Native American! Scroll down past the A,B, C, and D and their subclades…She is also finding that F and M mitochondrial DNA as being Native American…Mind you, they are her notes, but give it a read and see what you think.
August 23, 2020
Due to some luck, for some reason I was able to visit the Wikitree site today. I now know why and who got me kicked off that site. There is nothing that is inaccurate in this post. So much for letting her blog stand on its own…
August 15, 2020
I came upon what I believe is a very important article regarding the stereotyping of Native Americans by the mainstream public. I believe we should all familiarize ourselves, “Stereotyping Native Americans,” by Arlene Hirschfelder and Paulette F. Molin, published February 22, 2018 by Ferris State University, Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia. This article demonstrates and proves why it is so important to examine both sides of the coin — not just one…
From the section entitled “‘Tomahawks and Knives’: Stereotypical Violence”:
“Almost any portrait that we see of an Indian, he is represented with tomahawk and scalping knife in hand, as if they possessed no other but a barbarous nature. Christian nations might with equal justice be always represented with cannon and ball, swords and pistols .
“Throughout U.S. history, Euro-Americans committed countless acts of violence against Native people. Such acts include extermination or genocide, theft of Indian lands and resources, captivity and enslavement, forced removals from homelands, and schooling aimed at destroying Native cultures.
“Violence continues today. A study by the U.S. Department of Justice shows that ‘American Indian and Alaska Native women and men suffer violence at alarmingly high rates.’
“In an American Psychiatric Association blog post, research scientist Melanie Peterson-Hickey observes that high suicide rates among Native Americans are well documented, noting that the “trauma resulting from a history of race-based policy, discrimination and oppression has significant and longstanding impact.”
“Nonetheless, as Tuscarora Chief Elias Johnson has pointed out, American Indians are represented as barbarous, with tomahawk and scalping knife in hand. In contrast, Euro-Americans are depicted as innocent victims of savagery, especially from Indian males. (Emphasis added.)
“It is believed that European representations of Native people as violent date back to as early as 1591, when engraver Theodor DeBry engraved and published artist Jacques LeMoyne’s 1564-65 drawing of Indian scalping. Furthermore, from the 17th to the 19th centuries, non-Indian observers portrayed Indians intent on “savage war” more violent than “civilized” combat of European and American governments. Increasingly lurid details of Indian savagery also appeared in captivity narratives, published from the 1600s to the 1800s, accounts of non-Indians captured and held prisoner by Indians. Dime novels, inexpensive booklets first marketed in 1859, became popular as well. This bestselling fiction portrayed Indians as savages preying on defenseless Euro-Americans.” (Emphasis added.)
August 9, 2020
In the midst of a conversation Lynda-Davis Logan and I were having, we stumbled upon this article regarding oral tradition of Native American in families. (This article was republished by the author of the article in November 2019.):
August 6, 2020
Sarah Burns Atkins has made certain allegations on the opening page of her blog. I place this information here to refute her allegations and to, in fact, shed light on what has transpired:
This “note” was added in July 2020 when she made an update:
- I have and do disagree with her research.
- I have made no vindictive or false statements.
- I state and present facts and evidence.
- I have no need to “attempt to assassinate” nor “denigrate” her character; however, I can and will debate the issues. I am not going to sit back and let her do those same things to me and my family that she is accusing me and my family of doing to her. I have every right to ensure that my and my family’s good name, reputation and our history is reflected accurately in any forum.
- I have no need to stoop to the level that I am being accused…
The facts DO speak for themselves and I am documenting them here:
- February 8, 2020, at 3:07 p.m.
- February 9, 2020, at 6:06 p.m.
- February 11, 2020, at 10:27 a.m.
Sarah Burns Atkins sent emails to Lynda Davis-Logan. Lynda Davis-Logan and I have copies of the emails. (Permission to post granted by Lynda Davis-Logan.)
In those emails, the owner of the blog:
- Accuses me of being a liar.
- Accuses me of being dishonest.
- States that I was a “blatant, malicious liar.”
- Accuses me of destroying “real Adkins family history.”
- Accuses me of “selling” DNA tests (when, in fact, I have personally paid for every single test which I have posted on Adkins Family History Group).
- Accuses my writing of being a “fallacy.”
- Accuses me of “irreparably damaging” the Adkins family history page.
- Accuses me of “secretly” offering Adkins FB members a 20% discount for ordering tests.
- Accuses Dr. Yates of joining the Adkins Family History Group to “milk it for sales,” when, in fact, he is a member of this Adkins family, a descendant of William Adkins, Sr. and Elizabeth Parker, and he has made numerous contributions to the page.
- Accuses me of being paid or receiving special discounts for my “sales activity.”
- Accuses Lynda Davis-Logan of “encouraging untruthful comments and innuendos.”
- Specifically, in the email of February 8, 2020, the owner of the blog wrote, “Before leaving the page, I went back and removed all of my comments I could find that were generated by Dorene’s activity on the page. The field is how [sic] wide open for sales pitches from Dorene, Donald Yates, Debbie Adkins-Vance and you.“
August 6, 2020
Posted on Facebook. (Permission to post here granted by Michelle Watts.)
August 6, 2020
A relevant quotation I found by a descendant of Tecumseh on Geni:
About Charlotte Smith:
August 3, 2020
I noticed that my two comments from 2018 have been removed again by the owner of the Parker Adkins & Blue Sky blog, or, perhaps, their re-posting was inadvertent while in the process of updating.
August 2, 2020
Bluesky oral tradition as conveyed by Nancy “Nannie” Adkins as conveyed to son Rick Lear:
“The Story of Little Berry and Charity Adkins, as related to my mother, as a small child. Nancy ‘Nannie’ Adkins was born August 30, 1845 in Wayne County, WV. The daughter of Owen Adkins and Nary Jane Damron of Wayne County, Virginia. She married Jesse Queen in Boyd County, Kentucky on April 20, 1862. Following Jesse’s death in 1926, we find her living in 1930 with her son, James A Queen [in the house of her son] and his new wife, Nancy Melissa Duty. They married on February 12, 1905. Nannie Adkins Queen died February 18, 1936 in Cabell County, West Virginia.
“Nannie was the mother of my Grandfather James A Queen 1865-1951. Aunt Edith told me ‘Granny Nannie’ smoked a pipe and chewed tobacco. Aunt Edie’s job, as the youngest child, was to sweep the floors [dirt] and clean the fireplace hearth. Grannie Nan would spit ’baccer juice’ onto to the hearth. Aunt Edie said, “I’d get so mad,” but Mommy would say, “she’s old and we love her.”
“Nannie Adkins Queen, ‘Granny Nan’ was the provider of many stories about the Adkins’ family. She related to my Mother, Nila Mae Queen 1924-2015 and her sister, Nola Edith Queen 1928-2017, of how her mother would make the girls wear long sleeved dresses and bonnets, because the sun would turn them dark. Of the Littleberry story, she told her grandchildren about how her Great-grandfather Littleberry and his sister Charity, came to be with the family.
“’One day, after a trip, Parker Adkins returned home and had two small children with him. Both had Black hair and dark eyes and were very young. The story goes on that their mother had died and she was a Shawnee Princess by the name of Blue Sky. Blue Sky was the daughter of the Legendary Chief Cornstalk, that was the Indian leader at the Battle of Pt Pleasant. The white men killed him and his son at a Fort.’”
July 26, 2020
The owner of the blog has reinstated my two comments that had been removed. The “Third Response” remains “unpublished.”
July 26, 2020
The owner of the blog e-mailed screenshots of the Charity test subject’s FTDNA mitochondrial test results to the Charity test subject and an administrator of the Adkins Family History Group. The screenshots sent via e-mail in pdf to the Charity test subject and the administrator are blurry and almost unreadable. The administrator of the Adkins Family History Group posted the test results to the page. The MITOCHONDRIAL test results DO CONTAIN NATIVE AMERICAN MATCHES.
July 25, 2020
The owner of the blog claims she has attempted to post the screenshots of the Charity test subjects FTDNA test results; however she alleges the links are “broken” and she is working to fix the problem.
Update 8/25/2020: As of August 15, 2020, the screenshots of the test results have not been posted, but, rather typed-out “results” have been posted.
July 25, 2020
I learned that the owner of the blog is informing the Charity Adkins test subject of her test results.
July 22, 2020
The Charity Adkins direct-line female descendant of Charity Adkins instructed the owner of the Parker Adkins & Blue Sky blog to post her mitochondrial test results. Permission to post granted by Audalene Starr.
July 20, 2020
The owner of the Indian Reservations blog has re-posted an updated version of the Parker Adkins story which includes the comment by Sarah Burns Atkins, again without “publishing” my reply. I waited a period of time to give the owner of that blog the opportunity to publish my reply. As of August 11, 2020, my reply had not been posted, so I reached out again in a reply:
July 17, 2020
It was my great honor to be interviewed by DNA Consultants. Here is a link to the interview:
June 29, 2020
Indian Reservations blog owner has completely removed the profiles of Parker Adkins and “Mary Blue Sky ‘Fry.'”
*June 22, 2020
I had a very long, detailed chat with the direct female-line “Charity test subject.” She is the person whose FTDNA mitochondrial test results the owner of the Parker Adkins & Blue Sky blog bases her claim. Well, guess what, folks…not only has the owner of the blog not shared the Charity test subject’s full and complete test results with all of us — please let this sink in — THE OWNER OF THE BLOG HAS NEVER SHOWN THE CHARITY TEST SUBJECT THE TEST RESULTS FOR HER OWN DNA — THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE DNA!!! NOR HAS THE OWNER OF THE BLOG EVER GIVEN HER THE LOG-IN INFORMATION ON FTDNA TO LOOK AT HER OWN DNA TEST RESULTS!!!
June 20, 2020
The Parker Adkins & Blue Sky blog owner’s comment still remains. It still remains in the public forum on the Indian Reservations blog and appears incorrectly as if it was unanswered. I sent this follow-up comment this morning. I am posting it step by step as I posted it so that no claim can be made that it was never sent/received.
“I was just discussing with a colleague the problems that I and other Adkins family members have had and continue to have with the owner of the Parker Adkins & Blue Sky blog. Additionally, we have had the same problem with Indian Reservations, other blogs, Wikitree, Geni and other forums that did not or refused to publish our comments, expressions of concern (including documentary evidence and DNA) and our attempts for years to correct these errors, factual and otherwise. He reminded me of the definition of “fake news”:…he said that fake news comes in two flavors: the first is to disseminate information which is false…the second, and equally dangerous, is refusing to disseminate valid information about the truth and leaving a false impression…
June 18, 2020
Cousin Sharon Fussell posted a comment to the “Indian Reservations” blog site. It is worth mentioning that Sharon is a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution. I am posting the comment here because the author has not yet seen Sharon’s comment or has chosen not to “publish” it:
“Ok now I have to make a comment, I can not stay quiet anymore. I just wrote one and it disappeared probably never to be posted. I have been doing genealogy research for over 3 years on the Adkin’s side of my family. I have gone over and over it several times and it does show the Parker Adkins and Mary blue sky Adkins had 2 children Littleberry Adkins and Charity Adkins. They are my 5th GGF and 5 GGM on my mother side of the family. The paper the anonymous has written is very articulate and she has references to back up everything she put in that paper. I personally own several of the books that she used for references plus the oral history of the family. My Great Uncle who is 91 years young and very healthy knows the oral history as well. Anonymous is not going to put their name on this paper if they didn’t have the facts. So for now I am done ranting, there is no irrational behavoir [sic] and if the person thinks there is then it is on them.”
June 17, 2020
I am posting this comment from the Indian Reservations blog site because the owner of that site has not yet seen my reply or has chosen not to “publish” my reply, but, again, it creates the appearance that I did not respond to “Sallie.” I did respond as you can see below.
I posted my reply as soon as I became aware, June 15, 2020 at approximately 7:30 p.m. The reply will not be “published” for the public to see until the owner of of the “Indian Reservations” blog authorizes it to be posted, so I kept a copy. Lynda Davis Logan and Debbie Adkins Vance have also submitted responses to this particular reply on that date and about that time and are awaiting their responses to be “published.”
My reply to “Sallie” submitted to the “Indian Reservations” blog June 15, 2020 at approximately 7:50 p.m.:
“Firstly, I am the “anonymous” who posted the link above to The Case for Bluesky and Parker Adkins. Sallie’s accusation that I e-mailed it to her is false. I did not send it to her. I am not in the slightest way interested in discrediting her or anyone else’s real history. I myself have been the victim of false and misleading claims, defamatory allegations and statements taken out of context . I have done a great deal of research and I have posted it for all to see. If anyone disagrees with it, they should say so and indicate the historical/DNA support for their position and let others decide. The point is people who make personal attacks and post false accusations like the one above are admitting that their factual position is weak and all they have remaining is to attack the author personally. Sad.”
Audalene Starr’s Gedmatch number noted as once again available for match
October 15, 2018 – October 16, 2018
We are able to document other instances where family members have reached out to the owner of the Parker Adkins & Blue Sky blog with documentation of our family oral tradition:
(Theresa provided her phone number here…but I redacted it for privacy reasons.)